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• Revell's 1/4 scale '61 Chrysler Corp. Slant 6 motor
  • Jim Keeler would know for sure, very active on FB *NM*
• Anyone here use coping/jewelry saws for cutting plastic bodies? Recommendations on brand, size of blades? TIA! *NM*
  • What kind of cuts?
• Does anyone make the 1955 Packard taillight in scale?
  • something like this? *NM* *PIC*
    • Actually, no. In doing more research it seems they are 1955 Packard Clipper taillights.
      • Pretty sure Replicas and Miniatures carries them or similar. *NM*
        • Thanks, I'll check their catalog. *NM*
      • This one? *NM* *PIC*
        • No Pic... *NM*
          • Bummer. I tried, even scaled it back to 19k to upload it. *NM*
  • Replicas & Miniatures has '54 Packard Taillights #RH-304. *NM*
    • They look like this...PIC
• '64 Cutlass Hardtop - promo style finished *PICS*
  • Wow, neat concept! *NM*
  • That's awesome! Cool idea! *NM*
• RIP Ned Beatty (1937-2021) *NM*
  • Another classic good Actor gone😞 RIP Ned! *NM*
• Fresh car show photos.... Images from the Ashton Lions Club Car Show, in Ashton, Illinois... A little show with some very cool cars! *PICS* *LINK*
  • That early Chevrolet sedan is beautiful, miss the days there used to be rows of that era of cars at car shows *NM*
  • Re: Great photos Marty and thanks! *NM*
  • Who'da thunk it? a Dual Quad Granada. Neat! *NM*
  • When did you take these? The pink Sun Valley was at the Custom Car Revival in Indy on Saturday. *NM*
    • Took them Sunday morning.... Chatted with the owner / builder (a local guy). He was telling me about some of the stuff at CCR. *NM*
  • Glass top 53-54 Ford custom is cool, *NM*
  • Like that 59 Hawk, we had a 61, coolest dash ever made in my opinion! All race car dashes afterward were designed from it, LOL! *NM*
  • There is a Grenada at a car show. *NM*
  • Thanks Marty!! *NM*
• Anybody waiting for yhe Atlantis Green Elephant kit. Here's a box opening you might like to see. *NM* *LINK*
  • It's nice to see new tires and not those very hollow rubber slicks that disintegrated over time. *NM*
    • Has anyone tried to buy the new slicks from Atlantis to replace the original disintergrated Revell ones?, I've a McCullogh 1/16th Revellution been sitting on its rims for 25yrs or more......lol. *NM*
• "72 Chevy stepside , , Finished ,, PICS
  • Oh man, that is a sweet truck. Did you have to alter the chassis for the wheelbase? *NM*
    • Nope, pretty well slipped right under once the front bumper brackets were cut off. *NM*
  • Very cool build Steve, I've had dozens of these trucks in 1:1 but 3 of them were short steps, 2 6 cyl and 1 8 cyl! They were the most fun to drive along with 2wd 72 Blazer! Really love your truck! *NM*
    • My cousin and I went 1/2s on a '67 shortbed stepside 4X4,, are they rare? *NM*
      • Very rare Steve, 67 with no side marker lights and short 4x4 bring big money sir, especially if you got orig dash pocket door sticker that lists those options! *NM*
  • Great job, perfect color for it! *NM*
  • Nicely done Steve. You brought all those pieces together to create a really great looking PU. *NM*
    • I agree - really nice work! *NM*
  • Looks ready to take on Hot Rod's Power Tour!!! *NM*
  • Very, very nice! *NM*
  • Turned out great! *NM*
  • I'd hop in and drive that thing anywhere, looks great! *NM*
  • Very, very nice!!! *NM*
  • Nice! *NM*
  • So nice! The tint band on the windshield is a nice touch *NM*
  • Exactly. Great build, exactly how I'd want a 1:1 *NM*
• For antique vehicles and steampunk, here's a video for making rivet heads. *NM* *LINK*
• (PICS) A large survivor....Renwall's 1/4 Scale visible chassis
  • I got the Visible V-8 as my birthday present in June and the Visisble as my Christmas present in 1963. *NM*
  • Love it. I’ve been looking for one to put my original renwal V8 in but prices for complete have gone thru the roof. Great job on yours , build and display wise. *NM*
  • I had that chassis. Think I bought it thru the Wards catalog. *NM*
  • Awesome work, cool project. *NM*
  • Rarely seen and surely not as well built *NM*
  • I wonder what the wheelbase scales out to. *NM*
    • Re: Hi Brian, the model's wheelbase is approximately 23"......so it depicts a wheelbase of approximately 92".......
  • Very Cool! I have one that I will someday build. Deciding if I want to paint bits of it for more realism, and I need to come up with a replacement for the rubber bladder for the brakes, mine’s deteriorated. *NM*
  • I got the V8 for Christmas, my dad and I built it. Never got the chassis but I wanted it. In my 10 year mind, I thought I would be able to drive it around! *NM*
• Sunday photos.................................................................................................PICS
  • The first four pictures have some nice color ideas. *NM*
  • It doesn't get much better than a "In Violet" '70 Road Runner with American 200S mags! They even put the stripe on correctly, and straight. *NM*
  • I don't think I had ever seen this 3rd generation concept car by AMC, the AMX/3 *NM* *PIC*
  • What is that purplish 2 door woth the chtrome wheels and lowered fenders? *NM*
    • 1939 "Sharknose" Graham *NM*
      • Not to mention the Ferrari F1 Sharknose.Ooooh, I wish Tamiya would kit this. *NM*
  • Cruise ship is really a hotel on a barge! *NM*
    • Re: Yes, and LOTS of fun! *NM*
  • That 'Vette completely off the ground is awesome. *NM*
• A Model a Day. *PIC*
  • Great job, Didn't know it had ever been done, wish for a plastic kit. *NM*
• With mail service restored got some 'bookazines' I'd been waiting for from England. Ordered 2 weeks ago today so pretty good service. Ford and Fordson Tractor covering Fordson Models F & N; Commer & Karrier, The Rootes Group Commercials; Scammell, Manufacturer's Archives *PIC*
  • Can you please share your book source?
    • Here you go. I know the Scammell Scarab is one of my would like to do also. *NM* *LINK*
• 35s *PIC*
  • Great models, but... 35s ?? *NM*
    • 1/35 scale. Nice work, Terry! *NM*
• Fresh car show photos.... Images from the Quad City Cruisers' June Fun Run, in Moline, Illinois.... *PICS* *LINK*
  • Re: Great pics and some nice rides, thanks Marty. *NM*
  • Great pics, thanks. What is this orange car in the pic of the early 60's T-Bird? I really like it! ..........*PIC* ..........
    • Appears to be a Fiberfab body. Kit car usually on a VW pan, IIRC. *NM*
      • IMC actually made a 1/25 scale kit of that Fiberfab GT40 body, on a VW pan. Tough to find now, though *NM*
    • That is a Fiberfab Avenger.... Neat little kit car... Here's a couple of pics from an earlier show.... *PIC*
      • When Scott asked the question I was going to say "Early kit car"... Couldn't remember the name, glad you had more pictures. Really nicely done car. *NM*
  • Fiberfab made a bunch of really cool bodies and even a GT40-style front end for early Mustangs (all worth looking up) *NM*
  • Dang, the world may be slowly actually headed for "normal" if Marty is back on the car show circuits! Thanks, Marty. *NM*
• The resolution is somewhere around .025mm or less. So, let's call it +/- .030" in 1:1
• VARAC...Vintage Automobile Racing Association of Canada... *LINK*
  • Thanks for posting. *NM*
  • Some interesting vehicles there. *NM*
• 49 Ford Glossy weathered Patina ;)
  • What kind of work was required to get the suspension that low? *NM*
    • Front can be low straight from the box. Rear, you cut the leaf springs from the axle, and add small lowering blocks in between when reassembling *NM*
    • I glued the rear to the floor pan and de-arched the leaf springs *NM*
      • Re: I glued the rear to the floor pan and de-arched the leaf springs
    • If you make the rear springs a bit thinner and then epoxy the pumpkin to the floorboard...I out a small screw in to make sure it never let's go. Is DOWN! Easy peezy *NM*
• Spotlight Hobbies/Matt and Dawn, about how soon will you have the Cal Drag combo? *NM*
  • Our first batch should be here Tuesday afternoon. *NM*
• Re: YET ANOTHER '69 FER 6/9
• That was likely me... *PIC*
  • Or me.... *PICS*
    • I like your photo of it better than the retouched box art. *NM*
• If anyone has purchased a body from Resin Model Ranch, can you tell me about the quality please? Thanks. *NM*
  • I haven't purchased a full body, but I did buy a grille conversion from them. Quality stuff, usual slight flash on resin parts, but nicely done and VERY fast shipping! Again no body, but the Grille was top shelf! *NM*
  • I did, some yrs ago It wasnt bad, had some flashing to clean up, no pin holes. I would buy from him again....pic
  • Thanks guys! *NM*
• 1/8 Touring T Pic heavy
  • Every time I make it to that store, they are out of kits. Haven't seen any kits in 2-3 months now. *NM*
    • Re: Every time I make it to that store, they are out of kits. Haven't seen any kits in 2-3 months now.
      • Email sent your way. *NM*
    • I love the build and the pics, but remember naming our host Spotlight Hobbies specific competitions' kit sources on the board is kind of a no no. *NM*
      • Re: I love the build and the pics, but remember naming our host Spotlight Hobbies specific competitions' kit sources on the board is kind of a no no.
  • BTW, that's a cool hot rod. *NM*
    • Thanks!!! *NM*
  • Very cool conversion!!!! *NM*
  • That is 100% awesome! *NM*
• Which AMT alter wheel base car shared parts with the 65 Chevelle AWB *NM*
  • The Olds, and the Edsel used the same chassis, engine, and interior. The bare chassis and basic engine from the Nova and Tempest are similar (but not the same) and close enough to stand in if needed *NM*
    • So the '64 Olds convertible was an AWB kit? Or did you have to alter it yourself? *NM*
      • No, the body was already altered (short wheelbase, door and trunk lines wiped off). The body in the reissue is newly tooled, as are the bumpers (AWB bumpers are still included) *NM*
• Since Detroit is on Red Flag. They've already had one wheel come off after a pit stop and there were a couple at Indy. Wonder if NASCAR has any second thoughts about going to the single nut wheel on the new cars. At least with the 5 even if you miss a couple, the wheel is
  • Agreed. I think it's a bad idea for Cup cars. We'll see. *NM*
  • If they have any sence they would...NASCAR said the Next Gen cars is to put "stock" back to stock car racing...can't be further from the truth...
    • 2022 NASCAR Cup cars are SCCA Trans Am cars from about 2016......
      • My say was to stop watching it many years ago. The "stock" part left decades ago. *NM*
    • Some stret Porsches use a single wheel nut. *NM*
      • The one behind the steering wheel? Had to say it... *NM*
  • Just caught the video of the crash. Geez, stuck wide open throttle straight into the wall. OUCH! Sure hope the driver is ok. *NM*
    • Here's what is IndyCar site: "Rosenqvist is being held overnight at DMC Detroit Receiving Hospital after an accident in Race 1 Saturday. He is being observed overnight prior to discharge, after being sent to the hospital for advanced imaging and evaluation by the trauma and
• A Model a Day. *PIC*
  • I agree modeling is supposed to be fun *NM*
  • That looks like a fun build. *NM*
  • If it isn't fun, why do it? That looks fun *NM*
  • groovy build ! *NM*
  • If you hinged the canopy at the back board, had steel rods in the lower edge of the canopy, and cable reels at its front it could act as a stopping aid parachute. Right?? ;^) *NM* *PIC*
  • I love show rods. I always have. They are fun to build and that's all that matters to me! *NM*
• Although it's currently on hiatus here is my Project F/X. My second time around with this kit and subject matter.
• Here’s an example of process to create a 3D body.. *LINK*
  • That's an example of someone taking a "not so good" 3D model and improving it in order to print it, but it is not "creating" a 3D body file.
• I've stripped the chrome off the 64 Olds superchargers, what should I paint them? *NM*
  • Not familiar with that kit, but they should be some type of metallic finish - aluminum, magnesium, etc... *NM*
    • Flat metallic grey with a touch of black/brown mixed in for the case, the end caps are usually a little brighter shade, maybe mix some flat metallic grey with some silver. Best bet is to look at pictures though. No 2 are really identical. Some guys polished everything. *PIC*
  • Got nosy, They're Judson and here's a link to an article in Hemmings that has a couple of good photos and some interesting info about them. *NM* *LINK*
    • Looks like they are colored about the same as the GMC blowers I posted. *NM*
  • Re: I usually leave the chrome on and give the blower a coat of Dull Cote. *NM*
• A Mini-Stream for Saturday. A little weekend miscellany! *LINK*
  • I love this diorama piece of the closing race track with its list of tenants to be in the upcoming replacemnet "Modern Shopping Destination". LOL *PIC*
    • That’s actually one I made. *NM*
• Here’s an example of process to create a 3D body.. *LINK*
  • Fixing someone else's mistakes. Looks like he's doing a good job. What does he do if he has nothing to start with? I can create small mechanical parts, or wheels, in NX, but body parts are a different story! *NM*
• Just in case anybody ever wondered where the Hasegawa 1966 American car kits originated.
  • Hard to imagine there was a HUGE demand for a 66 Caddy slot car...... *PIC*
    • The original/ONLY Gone in 60 Seconds. A buddy of mine built several models from it, including that Cad. He used a Jo-Han '65, finding one was the hardest part of the project! *NM*
      • Yes.....the 'ONLY' GONE to me. *NM*
      • Jo-Han sold four slot bodies in '66...even they didn't bother with the Cadillac! They did the Plymouth Fury, Olds Toronado, Rambler Marlin, and Chrysler Turbine car *NM*
    • I'm not sure it was demand as much as Cadillac Slot Car *NM*
• ONE OF Mr DANIELS CREATIONS...
  • Cool on a warm day *NM*
• Circus Promo Rig PIX
  • VERY cool work...... *NM*
  • Oh my what a beautiful build and a great inspiration. Love the details. *NM*
  • Very impressive! *NM*
  • Super light commercial! Gotta love it! *NM*
  • Creatively cool *NM*
  • The PA system unit next to the driver is the coolest part of a cool project! *NM*
  • That's wonderful! *NM*
  • very kool build !!! *NM*
  • She's a beauty Ken. Great work! *NM*
  • Unique! Great idea and terrific details. Excellent. *NM*
  • Real neat build! Circus Model Builders would love it! *NM*
  • Great model! Little side story on those R & D Spark Plugs
• Miscellaneous Mopar Madness *PICS*
  • That ‘70 Charger! *NM*
    • Re: Needs a WHITE stripe if it were mine. *NM*
  • I want that lil Valiant convertible! *NM*
  • Rare Canadian Swinger 340 Specials? *LINK* *PIC*
    • Never knew about that Mark, thanks! *NM*
  • Re: Miscellaneous Mopar Madness....That little 66 V100 looks just like the one dad owned. A friend had a white 65 Dart GT like the one pictured. Good pics *NM*
    • It looks exactly like my first car! Mine had a red interior and I hated the beige so I had it painted silver.. *NM*
      • Here's a little gem you'll love. Posts #934 and on. *NM* *LINK*
  • Yummy! *NM*
  • Was there ever anything Kooler than those Roach T-shirts?! Love those things, used to fill out all the order forms in Hot Rod magazines, only ordered one or two of them, wore em out! *NM*
• We will be East Bound - Headed Down at the crack of Dawn Saturday !! We will see you all there !! *NM*
• Hemi engine sizes (a short history of the hemi). *NM* *LINK*
  • Glad to see they at least acknowledged that the hemispherical design was around before Chrysler Corporation even existed. *NM*
    • Pretty sure most of the really good radials used in WWII were hemis. *PIC*
      • Would make sense, does look like it, but don't know enough about aircraft engines to say. *NM*
• What a great job replicating that 1/1. *NM*
• Re: BIG BLOCK V-8....
• Do any of you do your own parts casting and if so what kind of resin do you use? *NM*
  • I just play around with casting. Simple one piece molds. I like the RTV and resin that Bare Metal sells. Mainly because it's a 1 to 1 mix ratio. x *NM*
  • I've just used the Alumilite stuff. *NM*
  • I bought Smooth On after watching how to YouTube videos. I need to get to it before the resin goes bad *NM*
  • If its just a small part that needs to be cast I just go Old School....
  • Smooth-On Smooth-Cast 300. Works well, but I wouldn’t mind having a slightly longer set-up time. *NM*
  • Thanks, Guys. I've checked out some of the options to M-M just to see what they might be. *NM*
• A box of 57's..
  • Nice collection of your built models. Really liking the Ford surf wagon. *NM*
  • What a great collection. *NM*
  • Nice collection. Which brand is the 57 Nomad *NM*
    • AMT, kitbashed combining the '57 Belair and '55 Nomad. *NM*
  • fantastic box !!! *NM*
• It's time for this week's edition of Friday Evening Randomness.... ENJOY!!!! *PICS*
  • Great selection, love the Bentley Shooting Brake... *NM*
  • Thank you Marty, my Friday evening is now complete! *NM*
  • Re: Thanks Marty as there are some great pics in that bunch. *NM*
  • Extra cool selection this week, Martimer. Always love seeing the Purple People Eater. *NM*
  • Re: It's time for this week's edition of Friday Evening Randomness.... ENJOY!!!! *PICS*
  • I had totally forgotten about those Eldon Match Kits!!! *NM*
  • Ya gotta trust Captain Kangaroo!! *NM*
• Your builds lately are taking us way back to when we were teens... love it. Nice work Dave. *NM*
• That's great. What a beast! *NM*
• That Panther Pink Challenger is my favorite out of these! *NM*
• MPC 57 chevy *LINK*
  • PICS inside :) *NM*
  • That's a VERY nice build. I love '57 Chevys. Is that all kit parts in that? *NM*
    • Re: That's a VERY nice build. I love '57 Chevys. Is that all kit parts in that?
  • Wow. That's an excellent build of a kit that I thought was pretty difficult to build well. Nicely done! *NM*
  • Nice one! *NM*
  • Awesome build - Did you know that back in the day it was the only '57 "2 Door Post" kit available ! *NM*
  • Thanks !!! *NM*
• A '62 Buick that had it's top whacked off.
  • Nice job...Low 'n' Slow. *NM*
  • very Kool ride ! *NM*
  • I love seeing when someone uses all of the possible AMT customization features! Nice work! *NM*
  • Now that's old school!
    • If I have too! LOL, even though it is a newer reissue it will make an appearance. *NM*
      • For Faux-vivor Friday it doesn't matter when it was issued. It just has to look the part. *NM*
• I love it ! *NM*
• Fantastic builds! *NM*
• Thanks!!! *NM*
• A question please. Are these 1967-68 Cougar wheels? If so, were they available on a Cougar in 1969 too? Thanks! ..........*PIC* ..........
  • Not sure about '67, but yes to '68 and '69. My first car ('66 Fairlane two-door sedan) had a set of those *NM*
  • Sort of. In 69 they were painted dark metallic gray and had stainless trim rings and trim around the holes. 67-68 were chrome with "argent" in the areas between the spokes with a different trim ring. *NM*
  • Wheels on the left are more like 69 style, They have the raised trim around the "windows". *NM*
  • correct 67-70. There were different finishes used on them depending on the year though. *NM*
  • Here's photos of a 68 and a 69 wheel. Also a link to my Wheels photo file that has all kinds of stock wheel shots. *LINK* *PIC*
    • Wow! Quite a collection of wheels from early to recent, all labeled. Thanks! *NM*
      • Thanks Bill. Started doing that a few years ago when I realized how hard it is to find reference shots for wheels. So now at shows I try to get at least one straight on wheel shot of the cars that I shoot. *NM*
• Wow...didn't expect that level of reactions....glad to know this one resonated with so many of you....TIM *NM*
• Very well done indeed... *NM*
• When I measured the length of the scale overdrive (13") it was 13mm... To my eye THAT's 1/25th scale. *PIC*
  • Awesome! Thanks guys! The only funny part about this is I think Dom and I are working on the same project. The Otis Chandler 1970 B/M Chevelle SS454 in a very dark green. *NM*
• I would venture a guess that it was inspired by the red A roadster on the cover of R&C June 1969. *NM*
• Re: Yet even more...'69 FER 6/9
• Re: BIG BLOCK V-8....
• A Model a Day. *PICS*
  • Re: A Model a Day keeps the doctor away. Cool project, Terry! *NM*
    • Charlie, I would venture to say there's a lot of truth to that... *NM*
    • I can't do a model a day, Raymond but it still is therapy for what ails ya.!! *NM*
  • Terry, any chance you--or anyone--would know where/how to get a set of those boom plans? Been hunting for something like that for years... *NM*
    • Let me see if I can find them. *NM*
  • Love this truck! *NM*
  • One of my all time faves. *NM*
  • That is one cool tow truck *NM*
  • That makes me smile. Brings back good memories of spending time in junkyards. *NM*
• Awesome! I missed them when Lindberg reissued them unfortunately. I was waiting for their Sport Fisherman which they canceled. *NM*
• Beer Run LOL :-) *NM*
• Love it! Well done replica! *NM*
• That is a very well done replica Ron! So many little details to pour over! I have a question.....
  • Roger, it is a modified cowl out of an AMT '68 El Camino. *NM*
    • Thanx Ron! I wish I would have thought of that one. I cut the vent pieces out of a '70 Camaro and grafted them in. *NM*
• Thanks... *NM*
• Well, that definitely works for me... Heading to the marina to see the Deuce!!! *NM*
• Ditto! *NM*
• Great work, Ron! Love the blanket idea! *NM*
  • Me too! *NM*
• THAT car ...I found it on the internet. Some people may want to SHIELD their eyes...LOL *PIC*
• Blue sky this morning. Looks like the fire is pretty much away from my immediate area and sky not filled with smoke. Main problems now is we're going into extreme heat warning by Sunday (maybe 105-106) even up here and almost 0 humidity. US 60 to Phoenix still closed. *NM*
  • Man! that is dry heat! Don't strike a match!! *NM*
  • Stay safe....I hope it goes well..... I live off US 60...weird! *NM*
  • And....we finally got mail delivery for the first time this week. And we won't get the 115 or so they're predicting for Phoenix. *NM*
• Wow. I still have the issue of ROADKILL magazine that featured that build (competed against a 'convertible" Subie WRX wagon built by a visiting team of Aussie car nuts!!) Was surprised you model doesn''t have the trashed tire from Freiburger's burnout...oh, and one other...
• That primered A roadster is plenty cool! Where did the frame come from? *NM*
  • AMT 32 Vicky. I added a Model A rear crossmember to accomodate a Halibrand quickchange. One day I want to scribe the charactor lines into the sides. *NM*
    • Re: AMT 32 Vicky. I added a Model A rear crossmember to accomodate a Halibrand quickchange. One day I want to scribe the charactor lines into the sides.
• Whew that's purty, and sinister at the same time.. *NM*
• That is correct. Tom West passed away in February of 2018. He worked for both MPC and Aurora back in the day, and was a valued member of the Scale Survivors group. He is missed! *NM*
• Great teaching tool. Nicely done *NM*
• All the great T models posted overshadow my old bash *PIC*
  • I like it! *NM*
  • Speaking about Model T Fords whatever happened to the Dutch guy Anthony who built a lot of different stock Model Ts? *NM*
    • Anthony is on Facebook but like me I don't think he uses it much... BUT... *LINK*
  • Nice! I like the V grille on that -- haven't see that much before. *NM*
• Hadn't occured to me either. But it makes sense. Ford updated the Falcon sedan roof panels in mid 1962 from the "bubbletop" to the squared off T Bird style roof line. *NM*
• Maybe the safest place to park. The people who actually return their carts are usually somewhat careful, its the idiots that just leave them sitting out in the middle or shove them away from their vehicle. Problem were I live is most parking lots are on hillsides. *NM*
• Every time I look at this, the Marty Robbins song "Big Iron" Comes to mind... "Oh, he might have went on living but he made one fatal slip - When he tried to match the ranger with the big iron on his hip" *NM*
• That Buick is a sweetheart. *NM*
• Definitely not a 70, but it sure has coolness. Spectacular build as always. *NM*
• I did a commision build of one of those for someone about 30 years and I guarentee it didn't come out as nice as yours. Yours is jewel like. *NM*
  • ago. 30 years ago. LOL. *NM*
• Retro goodness! *NM*
• They had Darts in '66 and '67 (two different cars). I don't think they had a FC in '69, if they had it likely would have been a Dart *NM*
• Better than real *NM*
• Old School T is for Trouble Redux, too. *PICS*
  • I'm not sure I've seen that blue one before. I love it! Love the yellow one, too. *NM*
• Wow! That's wonderful! *NM*
• Great replica! *NM*
• Even has a cracked vinyl dash. Cool! *NM*
• You're right. The grilles. Thanks! *NM*
• No pay but a nice FREE lunch and good time