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• Here's a build from 2014, the Revell Audi R8 with some PE parts.
• I'm in the middle of building an AMT '77 Ford Econoline van. I'm building it as a DRAG VAN. I'm having a hard time deciding whether to mount the engine (that's too be decided on, too)...
  • I would go mid engine, it would be easy to do with a van and there is plenty of room, so I would go with a Boss 429 or 427 SOHC or . ....
• Part ID help needed. I bought an original built up AMT/SMP 1960 Impala and these wheel covers were on it. Can you guys tell me what these really go to? My "guess" is 1961 Ford. I'm thinking about having them re-plated. Thanks. .......... *PIC* .....
  • 1960 Edsel. *NM*
    • Re: 1960 Edsel. , Definitely. , Sometimes you see them with 3 bar spinners but they were a separate part not used on all caps. *NM*
  • The ones in the '61 Ford kit look sorta like that, but have no Ford crest in the center. Plus, the vanes look dished in your pic, but not in the kit ones. *NM*
  • Thanks for the ID guys. *NM*
• Hey everybody, thank you all SO MUCH for the great comments and positive vibes posted about my new diorama. It really means a lot to me to be considered as part of this community. Ditto on the comments about my 2021 builds for the year. Thanks Everyone !! *NM*
• Off the Bench for December *PICS*
  • Well done. Have considered the same type build myself, weathering and all. *NM*
  • Nice work! Fun to see fantasy kits built realistically *NM*
  • Good build of Rommels Rod but give me all the Blue Beetles/Banditos, just a real neat kit, wish it could be reissued again & again. *NM*
    • Yeah, I bought 2 of the Blue Bandito when they came out, and now wish I'd bought more. *NM*
  • Kudos to "Mr. Light Commercial" for actually making Rommel's Rod look like it's done time in North Africa! *NM*
  • Very cool spin.....I have an idea for a modified version.....if I can get to it. *NM*
  • Nice work on both! *NM*
• 5-window Deuces.... which would you choose? (XTRA LARGE pictures) *PIC*
  • Hemi *NM*
  • I like the black one *NM*
    • Re: Ditto! *NM*
      • What they said. *NM*
  • I’d pick Jeff Norwell’s (bottom) but without that awful cowl steering. *NM*
    • Me too, but partly because of the cowl steering..... Makes it look 'racey". *NM*
  • First one *NM*
  • Tough choice. But if you're going to MAKE me choose it would be the second one. *NM*
  • The burgundy/maroon one . It's got a HEMI! *NM*
  • First one. *NM*
  • Mike L, why not post some of your builds for us, please. *NM*
  • Black one. *NM*
    • Re: Black one.....x2 *NM*
  • Hmm...the more I look.... The black one has more louvers in the deck lid (and that matters) but the other one has the gas tank in the stock location...which I like. I'm not so sure now. *NM*
  • I have to go with Quiet Eric, I don't like the cowl steering on the one with the hemi. ( I do like the engine though)..... I would have to go with the black one. *NM*
• Well......, it's done.....finished. Every step of this build was a problem. I did not enjoy it for the most part. There were some things that I tried different options and there just wasn't a better one to choose......such as the color of the suspension posts. ........*PICS*
  • Nicely done! *NM*
  • You are the master.... Well worth the trouble *NM*
  • I would imagine this was VERY tough to do but It looks great! *NM*
  • Very cool! *NM*
  • Very dynamic!!!
  • This is amazing - very life-like! *NM*
  • Nice work Scott. A diorama is supposed to tell the viewer a story and that's exactly what your diorama does. It also leaves the question of how did this happen and how does it end. Good stuff! *NM*
  • It portrays the action very well *NM*
  • That is awesome!!!! *NM*
  • AWESOME!!! Maybe you can 'shop those posts out of the pics? Still a great piece of work. *NM*
  • Another outstanding diorama, Scott.... You truely have a knack for conveying the illusion of motion in the scenes you create. *NM*
  • FWIW, it turned out great. Kudos for getting the idea out of your head, regardless of how you think it turned out. Too many cool models have not happened because the builder didn't get it into plastic *NM*
  • Very Well Done Scott!! *NM*
  • These "stock car in action" dios you are doing are highly imaginative and executed very well!
  • Very well done Scott. *NM*
  • Very ccol! *NM*
  • WOW!! *NM*
  • Awesome! That's a great display! *NM*
• Miscellaneous Mopar Madness *PICS*
  • Thank you for NOT tempting me this week Bill. *NM*
  • Well, he did me.......the 58 Fury, 57/58 Saratoga, 56 Fireflite, and the neat white 2 door Valiant.......but any would do.......lol.........thanks. *NM*
  • DEMON! *NM*
  • Very nice, those 2 door wagons are so rare these days! *NM*
  • Not crazy about the black top, but that Hurst Chrysler 300! *NM*
  • Don't think I've ever seen a '61 Plymouth 2 door wagon, wow cool! *NM*
    • Dino, my fried who ownes a wrecking yard in Grand Forks had two air force cars there about 15 years ago..Just tired but no rust..61 Plymouth 2 dr wagons..They have since disappeared I'am sure..Swangler Auto Wrecking.. *NM*
      • I can only imagine how extremely cool one would look with my "dream" treatment! *NM*
  • We need more Mopar wagon kits!!! *NM*
    • We sure do and those early 60s ones were very popular as drag cars at the time, so would probably sell as model kits. The more obscure MoPar wagons, and there are plenty, would be cool for stock or cool customs, or cruisers. I'd love 'em anyway! *NM*
    • Agreed!! *NM*
  • Grabbed me from the get-go.... Oddly enough though, I keep going back to the '78 Magnum.... Really wish that we had one of those available in 1/25 scale styrene. *NM*
  • Ooo, that '58 Saratoga... *NM*
  • Thanks Bill!! *NM*
• Wishing this was my garage *NM* *PIC*
  • Agreed!!!!! *NM*
  • Re: Just "flash the ca$h." *NM*
  • WOW!! How great is that!! *NM*
• What farmers dream of when they're hard at work in the fields? *NM* *PIC*
  • Looks like a Funk Bros. conversion that went drastically south... *NM*
• Which one would you take? *PIC*
  • The Olds. Flat out cool looking. *NM*
  • I just set my hair on fire..... I CAN'T PICK! *NM*
  • Neither ONE!! BOTH!!! L.O.L. Back in the day(mid '60's) had a "54 Olds "Holiday" 2dr. H/T. *NM*
  • The Chevy.....First thing i'd do is Ditch those Wheels and Tires... *NM*
  • Wouldn't turn down either but neither would make it up my driveway without damage. *NM*
  • Neither. Donk wheels & tires don't belong those body styles. *NM*
    • I totally agree. Donk wheels shouldn't be on anything from the '50s. So glad those cars don't have donk wheels on them. , , I'll get off your lawn now. *NM*
      • LOL!!! *NM*
  • Prolly the Olds...everybody and their brother likes '55 Chebbys. *NM*
  • The Olds.... No contest!!! *NM*
• My 2021 builds year in review. I'm finishing up a diorama and I really doubt that I'll finish anything else by years end. 4 of these just had decals added, 2 were repaints and 1 was one that I've never photographed before. So, here my builds for 2021........ *PICS*
  • Was a very good year! Good builds, especially the award winning track diorama. *NM*
  • You build some really great models. Your diorama is absolutely cool! *NM*
    • X2 *NM*
  • Outstanding, every one of them....Especially like the Maverick Grabber... *NM*
  • I'm jealous *NM*
    • Me too! *NM*
  • You might not add a lot of detail (wired engines etc) but your model always 'look' just right! A very nice build year for sure! *NM*
  • Clean builds. Especially like the '66 Mercury. *NM*
    • Me too...the low angle shot makes it look more realistic. Great work. *NM*
  • Great productive year! *NM*
  • What a great year of cool builds.... My favorite is the AMX. *NM*
  • You make it hard to pick a favorite, there all so good. *NM*
• This is a rear bumper, taillights advertised as for an original AMT/SMP 1960 Chev Impala. Question: is there something wrong with the taillights (looks like it to me) or is it just a strange angle from lighting ? Thanks. ............... *PICS* .......
  • Looks like the custom lenses may have been glued to the chrome. *NM*
  • That, and the exterior side's "chrome" looks a lot different from the back side. I know one eBay seller "rechromes" a lot of stuff with something, not sure what...I check his stuff before bidding *NM*
  • The lenses were engraved into the panel - not my favorite method, but it's part of the 'charm' of the era *NM*
  • The tail light lenses are bullet shaped and should protrude like this...*2 PICS*...
• A bit later than usual (I had a work function I was required to attend), but I didn't forget about y'all... Here is your weekly dose of Friday Evening Randomness.... ENJOY!!!! *PICS*
  • Thanks for posting. *NM*
  • Nice variety...thank you. *NM*
  • Oh man, there's that wicked cool awesome looking Javelin/AMX. Is that picture pre-crash or was the car rebuilt and it was back for this picture? I sure hope that it got rebuilt. .......... *PIC* ........
    • That pic was taken on Thursday of Drag Week at Byron... The Crash happened the following day at Martin Michigan.... I too really hope he rebuilds it! *NM*
    • Every time you post pics of the final NNL they bring back great memories of being there and getting to see old and new friends. *NM*
    • OOPS!! Should have gone under Marty's post! Sorry! *NM*
  • Marty,nice pics,esp. like the Cougar II,I've an old original IMC gluebomb & can't believe how close IMC got the beautiful polished plastic body in that kit, to have the IMC kit reissued in that original metallic burgundy, might see if I can restore the 'ol gluebomb, lol. *NM*
  • Thanks! Love the Pontiac Ambo. *NM*
  • ALWAYS DUG those Phase lll Corvette's... in the mid-late 70's those were the IT CAR if you wanted a custom Corvette. Wonder if that car sold that day Marty. *NM*
  • Ford wrecker is kinda cool. *NM*
    • I agree, and that Dodge is a beauty too. *NM*
  • Marty makes Friday a car party *NM*
  • Re: Thanks for the pics Marty and I just love the AMT ads. *NM*
  • Love that '56 Ford. *NM*
    • Re: Love that '56 Ford.......x2 *NM*
  • I'd like to think the '56 Poncho ambulance and the Trabi were on the Ramstein "Lemon Lot" at the same time... *NM*
• 19 Funny Cars Built in 1968 through 2021! *LINK* *PIC*
  • One fine exhibition! All look good. *NM*
  • Awesome work, fantastic looking builds ! *NM*
  • The more nitro burners the better! The blue/purple Rambunctious looks like a paint job that might have existed back in the day. Love the Nitro Charger too - a classic kit! *NM*
  • Crying in my cereal.... Love it *NM*
  • Longnose Gas Ronda kit hooked me when I was a kid. Love the imagination of your early builds *NM*
  • That Tommy Ivo Dodge has always been one of my favorites. *NM*
  • THANK YOU for that trip down memory lane! It's always nice to be reminded of 'the good old days'.......
  • All amazing, your concept for the Demon funnycar sounds like it would have been cool *NM*
  • Great collection of F/C builds. *NM*
  • Thanks, guys, for the views, comments and feedback. TIM *NM*
  • I think the IVO is my favorite too. But it's a treat to see all of them. You can see the transition from full detail contest cars to less complicated builds. I'll always hope the clutch car gets another chance. *NM*
• I've been sidetracked from scale model building for a while. A friend of a friend wanted a unique Christmas present for her Massey Ferguson dealer husband. *PIC*
  • That is very clever! Nicely done! *NM*
  • Now that's really cool. *NM*
  • Re: Awesome! *NM*
  • Pretty ingenious! *NM*
  • I really like that!!! *NM*
  • That's a really neat model there Carl! *NM*
  • That takes sewing your oats to a new level. *NM*
  • Great result! *NM*
  • Thanks Guys for the kind words. This hobby gets me out of the basement model room and into the garage where I can use up some of the junk that I've horded over the years. *NM*
• Very, very cool Marty! TIM *NM*
• Big good guy shout out to Les Gibben - received the package today! *NM*
  • He came through for me last week... *NM*
• Hello again everyone! I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving. The trip to Baltimore from South Dakota went great, very little rain, no snow sleet or ice! Visiting the grand kids was cool. Now, on with the business at hand, the AMT 63 Impala convertible had been soaking in
  • Wish I had my old Organic Chem notes to 'splain why blue is such a bear
• Heads up! If you love vintage drag racing. Check out Snake & Mongoose if you stream TUBI, About Tom and Don, vintage funny cars, with the Dodge carriers, old video clips....as they travel the circuit. 5 stars *NM*
• Update on the Foose F-100 back to stock conversion *PIX*
  • Nice job...... I love doing projects like that. *NM*
    • Thanks Frank, my favorite form of modeling as well. *NM*
  • This is cool! There are only a couple of minor differences in how you and I are attacking this. Great progress, Ken! *NM*
    • Thanks for the big window cab I think this is the most obvious approach and I'm very happy with it. I'm tackeling the small window very differently from you. We'll see how successful I am. *NM*
  • Oh, this is just too cool... *NM*
• Good morning everyone. I have a question about the decal sheet colors for the 1977 issue of the Monogram '67 442 Olds Street Freak. Where all of the decals always these colors, or were there some with red and blue in them like the box art? ..... *PICS* ....
  • Can't see the lower edge of the box, but I'd bet it reads "photos of painted prototype model". That issue wasn't around long, may have only been run once *NM*
• Stage whisper to 3D folks - how cool would a correct, stock '56 grill and headlight bar be for the current and vintage '56 kits? *NM*
• (PICS) A plethora of my old 1/35 Military truck models done a decade and a half ago
  • Great as expected. You and Larry must have spent a fortune on display cases but obviously worth it.🙂 *NM*
  • Absolutely stunning! A history lesson in miniature *NM*
  • Cliff, that's a perfect description of the word plethora... LOL *NM*
  • All nice super clean builds. Hard to believe they are 1/35 scale. *NM*
  • That's some nice work, Cliff! Great collection of some nostalgic pieces as well! *NM*
  • WOW !! Extremely beautiful work. Very clean and crisp craftsmanship. Congrats ! *NM*
  • Gorgeous builds Cliff! I shared this link with our IPMS model club because we have a few armor builders. *NM*
  • I really like the heavy equipment transport..... And the '40 GMC COE.... Was that one a kit or is it a modified diecat? *NM*
    • Re:The COE was a resin kit (I can't remember the manufacturer) and other than paint, my only modifications were the poseable steering, hinged doors, and partly down door windows. *NM*
  • Wow... just, wow... *NM*
• Re: Andy, I'll try to photograph them separately in the next while and itemize the kit make etc. *NM*
  • Cliff, that would be good but even if you could just list the various kits that would be fine, thanks for the pics anyway, just amazing work. *NM*
• ON THE BENCH... This was suppose to be a street rod but the direction changed last weekend when my orange 37 Chevy Gasser took a 4ft flight off the table. This was in my ready room ready to paint. This is going w/ 6 banger. PIX and thanks for looking
  • Oh man, I hope the orange coupe is saveable! Really liking this one too but I agree needs older style front wheels! We need to split that Exhaust manifold too, We taking in more breath than we can get rid of! LOL! You're amazing sir! *NM*
    • P.S. Anything ya need to fix the orange car just holler, I've got dozens of parts cars in my 37 box! When Michaels ran those red car boxes years ago I bought most all around here. Think I wound up with 90 of them! LOL, Oh yeah I like 37's! *NM*
      • Thanks Jacky... It hit pretty hard knocking off the head lights, straight axle broke, rear end knocked off. The guy offered to buy it I just told him to keep it. *NM*
        • It was an accident and they happen... I felt worst for him cause he hurt the shoulder he just was recovering from surgery. *NM*
  • I am not up on '30s cars - What year and make is this green gasser? Is it a '30s +or- Ford or also a '37 Chevy? Is the inline 6 a Chevy engine? *NM*
    • AMT 37 Chev Coupe with the 216cube Chev six, actually it & the AMT 37 Chev convertible kit are really quite decent kits, they could do with some updates but still nice kits. *NM*
      • Thanks for the info! *NM*
  • That is a real beauty! The color brings it to life *NM*
  • Ohhh Frank! That is ugly, ya ought to send it my way!!!! LOL *NM*
  • Great looking car, is that a jade green? *NM*
    • Mystic Emerald Green-Testor Lacquer *NM*
• All very excellent.....in the last pic what is the long roof clear to the right in front?? *NM*
  • Re: It's a 1970 Vauxhall Victor Estate in 1/32 by Airfix *NM*
• I built all of those kits, and the Highway Pioneers that preceded them. But...
• Retirement and a new souvenir. *PIC*
  • Sorry for the souvenir, but glad you made it through! Get back to enjoying that retirement! Best Wishes! *NM*
  • Glad your doing better, nice to see you again. *NM*
  • I'm so happy they were able to fix that!! It's a good thing that a kit weighs less than 10lbs! *NM*
  • Good to hear from you, Tom. I've been wondering how you've been, so thanks for the update and happy to hear of the good outcome! *NM*
  • Congratulations on a successful procedure! I am glad they did not have to cut any nerves. You should be good to go for a long time now! I have a mirror image scar on the left side, but for a different reason. They did have to cut a nerve but it only made my left ear lobe
    • That's highly interesting, because my right ear is numb too. It's like an extension of where the minor numbness is from the incision, but...
      • I hope the numbness is temporary like they warned you ahead of time. I had a walnut size tumor in the Y of my left carotid artery. It turned out to be non-malignant. After the surgery they explained that they tried to get it without cutting any nerves but had to cut
  • That is a close shave! *NM*
    • Ha ha! Good one;. *NM*
  • That's some scary stuff. Glad you are doing well! *NM*
  • So good to see you! Thankful things went well!! *NM*
  • It's always great to hear good medical news! *NM*
  • I was wondering why we hadn't heard from you in a while but I now see you had other preoccupations... Glad the operation went well Tom... *NM*
  • It's great to read that it went well. You deserve to continue your pleasant retirement after doing all the great things to help the hobby through the years. I hope that all heed your health warning at the end. *NM*
  • Great advice Tom. I too am enjoying retirement by have medical maintenance done *NM*
  • Pleased to hear you are well and doing the "retirement" things you planned. Nice to hear some good news for a change... *NM*
  • So glad you are doing well. *NM*
    • Re: Ditto! *NM*
  • Glad to hear of your successful trip to the surgeon's office. Hoping for a real speedy recovery time! BTW thanks for Spotlite! *NM*
  • Glad to hear they caught it in time. Now, no tennis on TV for you for a while, I guess. ;-) *NM*
    • Funny. *NM*
  • Glad to hear your surgery went well and that you're enjoying retirement! *NM*
  • Great to hear you are doing well! Rest up and get back to enjoying your retirement! *NM*
  • Great that you are so good about going to the doctor! Here is to a continued smooth recovery!! *NM*
  • I've been wondering how you were doing and where you've been. Here's to a speedy recovery. *NM*
• OFF THE BENCH...Had an extra Firebird so I did what I do. Took me a few days in between projects. PIX and thanks for looking
  • Nice looking bird. *NM*
  • Another nice nitro burner!! Surprised no 1:1 FC ever ran with a paint scheme like that. *NM*
  • Very nice work. Was that black grid over the tail lights from the funny car kit or elsewhere? *NM*
    • Thanks and they were kit decals *NM*
  • That looks great...as for the driver, Drag Racing USA (you remember that magazine don't you?) is reporting in 1320 notes that Marty Neyrinck is taking over that seat! : )! *NM*
  • Marty's jaw dropping in 3..... 2.....1 ....... LOL *NM*
  • Very cool build Frank...still love the the name, lol. *NM*
    • Best name ever *NM*
  • I love it!! *NM*
  • Very nicely done, Frankie...... I could easily see this as an independent racer's car, entered at a national event in the hope of attracting a big name sponsor. *NM*
  • I like it! *NM*
• Brings to mind the incredible improvement in efficiency possible with the rail system as opposed to the number of long haul semi rigs going cross country. The aging of those truckers and the advent of containerized shipping and massive distribution centers with a lot
• Revell's (snap) '57 Chevy *PICS*
  • I like 'em cause they're all very different. Good work. *NM*
    • Ditto! *NM*
  • Nice group. *NM*
  • Regarding fitting the Roth decals, what did you mean by "touchup" *NM*
    • Roth decals - the roof fits "almost" perfectly. Around the fenders, I had to add a little "flame" between the lower edge of the decal and the lip of the front fenders. Everything else fit pretty well. *NM*
      • Here's where I touched up the fender decal - *PIC*
  • I like those ! *PIC*
  • They all look good!!! *NM*
• Thanks to Randfink I started on a new and long stalled project. *Pix*
  • Very cool work! *NM*
  • Oh man, this is cool. The race is on! LOL... *NM*
• Test Shot Sneak Peaks! The AMT Ford C900 GarWood refuse truck.
  • May have to get one when they are released. I can see doing one in light blue, to match the "municipal colors" of my hometown...but all of their trash trucks back then used Heil bodies, not Garwood.
  • Pretty amazing that this is happening finally. Thanks Tim! *NM*
  • Wow, that's looking amazing. Thanks for sharing! *NM*
  • That's some nice stuff! I just might have to bite the bullet and get one when it is released! *NM*
  • It'll be cool to see what kind of kit bashing will go on with this kit. *NM*
  • Wow... that's cool. *NM*
  • Holy Moly! How cool is this?!?! *NM*
• Complete MPC Trick Trike collection now on the shelf, I like em'..
  • Very nice group of trikes. *NM*
  • Great work on all those!!!!
  • Please tell us more about how you accomplished this pattern on the seats... Paint brand, time between coats, etc.. *NM* *PIC*
    • Re: magic! It just happened, I sprayed it with tan, before the red was dry and it made that pattern. *NM*
  • Very nice! I bought duplicates of the originals when they came out, built them all many years ago- all up on my shelf. *NM*
  • Very cool to see them as a set *NM*
  • Very nice! Cobra Trike seats go so well with the trike and the theme of it. I have an original (built) Wedge/Taco trike in a box from when I was a boy. Molded in blue. Needs a resto-job! *NM*
  • Those are really neat.... I have a little story, when I was in my Sting Ray years a friend of mine had an older brother with neat cars (you know the type), well he use to weld forks together to give it that chopper look. Didn't last long maybe a day, to much weight. LOL! *NM*
• Olds 442
  • Revell has a fastback ('71?) coming next year, test shot photos have leaked *NM*
  • Can’t confirm, but the last bullet point under “highlights” mentions an upcoming Revell kit... *NM* *LINK*
    • Well, well...
    • Nice find! I'm excited about this one! *NM*
• I have had just 8 cars since 1962. All except the first one have been performance cars of some kind. The best in terms of "hot rod" was a '70 Z28 with 350cu in, 11:1 compression, solid lifters, and 4 bolt mains with the pollution stuff removed and a Mallory dual points
  • I have had only 6 since 1979 (currently have two, one of those since 1984) *NM*
• Those BOTH ROCK!!! *NM*
• BF Goodrich stunt car show and crash film from 1970's Tournament Of Thrills *LINK*
  • I see what you mean by "hurt feelings"... What a waste of vintage steel *NM*
    • They were 10-20 year old used cars. :-) *NM*
  • They were probably picked up from the boneyard - or back row of the "Gypsy" used car lot
    • I wonder if they set the floats higher *NM*
      • They're all FI. *NM*
        • What kind Injectors were they running, Hilborn? LOL! *NM*
          • I wonder if Ford was happy about that Maverick door popping open at the 19-20 second mark. *NM*
  • I saw a Chitwood show years ago at a local track. It was entertaining *NM*
  • I saw a thrill show at the Ohio State Fair in the '80s. It was fun. *NM*
  • Cool!! *NM*
  • Looks like they were doing Rockfords before Rockford was doing Rockfords. *NM*
  • Nice! I aways wanted to be a stunt driver. Love the 2 wheel driving! Try it a few times when I was young in my vw dune buggy, didn't quite make it! Thanks for the post! *NM*
• "Reasonably Proud" he says! I should say so! Those are awesome! *NM*
• Cool, really like the Avanti! *NM*
• I was at the B&O museum about 2 months ago and saw the EA - it’s beautiful inside, but looks even better outside, even tho that video was shot on a cloudy day. *NM*
• Is there a way to remove small amounts of putty from a molded in color body. It is only small amounts to plug a few tiny mounting holes. Prefer not to ruin the molded in color body. *NM*
  • Whenever I’ve stripped paint with Poly-S Easy Lift Off (now Testors ELO) my putty (Evercoat Eurosoft) also dissolved. You can polish the body to a shine after. *NM*
    • Same here, also Scale Coat does the same... *NM*
  • I'd test whatever you use on spare plastic to make sure it doesn't degrade or soften the plastic. You want to make sure the putty didn't affect the plastic and the remover doesn't further affect it *NM*
  • Denatured alcohol and a cotton swab - but test first *NM*
  • If it’s the old Squadron putty, it’ll come off in the purple pond. *NM*